It's a hard game, and that's why it's great

Frees · Sep 24, 2017

TheWizardWatley said: ↑

Exactly. Or not, and take the loss and grind on. It's doable. Take my word for it.

Without reviving you cant bring your warband to the top. Its simple. On other side, it is not very expensive, almost everyone can purchase about 50 fate points to get solid play

TheWizardWatley · Sep 24, 2017

Yeah, true. I'm a frugal twat, however, and I have grinded my way to the top with hardly a fate spent (I'm the Grand Fubar).

That eighth member isn't crucial, and to be honest this is one area I tend to agree with the chaos: I do think it's a bit mean to keep that last slot only for fate point purchases.

Frees · Sep 25, 2017

Yes, 8-th slot only for hired swords is not very good, i think. Because when all around wearing gromril and wielding hammers and gromril twohanded swords, your hired dude clad in heavy armor and hit people with halberd *dong*, *dong*.
I am Raging Reavers, spent about 55 fate to get 4-th place.

Overwatch · Sep 25, 2017

Can we refrain from insulting each other, please? We've gone through this before. You're entitled to your own opinions but once you start insulting each other that's where we have to draw the line. No one wants to see that sort of behaviour going on, people come to the forums for an enjoyable time overall, not to be abused.

If I see it happening again I'm going to have to start dishing out warnings. If you don't like someone here on the forums you don't have to communicate with them, simply go to their profile and click "Ignore".

Marquand · Sep 25, 2017

Overwatch said: ↑

Can we refrain from insulting each other, please? We've gone through this before. You're entitled to your own opinions but once you start insulting each other that's where we have to draw the line. No one wants to see that sort of behaviour going on, people come to the forums for an enjoyable time overall, not to be abused.

If I see it happening again I'm going to have to start dishing out warnings. If you don't like someone here on the forums you don't have to communicate with them, simply go to their profile and click "Ignore".

Wow.
In case you missed it it's WizardWatley who started calling names, using swear words etc.Why do you turn the blind eye on this boorish, jerky behaviour?. Way to go LG. On any civilised forum his post and account would be deleted. You do realize that when the new people enter your forum and see thread like this they can be discouraged and turned off?
As much as most of Chaosticket's claims are... outlandish, there's no way you should tolerate such rude and disrespectful posting by WizardWetley (and so the other's users).

TheWizardWatley · Sep 25, 2017

Mate, I got the warning too. Just so you know, I'm going to communicate online how I would face to face, and as an Australian, well, it'll probably get a little raw for you northern hemisphere types who have to euphemise any word that creates a little discomfort. I call a spade a spade. You ought to be grateful there are still people out there who don't bow to the pressure of political correctness (euphemism for thought control) and have the balls to say what's what and where to go. (You northerners really gotta harden up and not cry whenever someone uses a nasty word.)

I'll refrain from telling people where to go.
I'll put up with some twerp (not saying any names) twisting my words about in a pathetic effort to find offence.
I'll even let you call me a boor, as long as you know what that means.

But I'm not going to stand by and let, as you so rightly worded it, "outlandish" nonsense drag down the otherwise reasonably sensible, if somewhat naive, forum contributions that could lead to this game becoming even more awesome.

Pay some attention to old mates nonsense too, feel free to review the entire story, all the threads this guy has hijacked with the same old whinge. Then get back to me and tell me if you think I was wrong. There is a time and a place, and he needs to go there.

TheWizardWatley · Sep 26, 2017

Frees said: ↑

?......
I am Raging Reavers, spent about 55 fate to get 4-th place.

Nice work, mate. Pleased to meet Ye.

May we spill each other's blood on the streets sometime.....

GrayWhen · Sep 26, 2017

We Australians well some of us are blunt and straight forward and if you don't like it you don't have to read it but I've been playing for a while now but haven't played the original. I find it hard bit as wizard has said sometimes you have to take a lose and sometimes you win it the roll of the dice

Veteran · Sep 26, 2017

GrayWhen said: ↑

We Australians well some of us are blunt and straight forward and if you don't like it you don't have to read it but I've been playing for a while now but haven't played the original.

Is being australian an explaination or even an excuse for rudeness? If so, shouldn't I be allowed to be even more rude because I'm german? We germans practically invented rudeness;-)
As fot "not reading", I allready put him on my "ignore-list".
@Chaos
You should do so as well.

Overwatch · Sep 26, 2017

Marquand said: ↑

Wow.
In case you missed it it's WizardWatley who started calling names, using swear words etc.Why do you turn the blind eye on this boorish, jerky behaviour?. Way to go LG. On any civilised forum his post and account would be deleted. You do realize that when the new people enter your forum and see thread like this they can be discouraged and turned off?
As much as most of Chaosticket's claims are... outlandish, there's no way you should tolerate such rude and disrespectful posting by WizardWetley (and so the other's users).

Marquand, I'm really not sure where you're coming from at all.

I made myself abundantly clear that we won't be tolerating abusive behaviour, so I'm not sure how you've come to the conclusion that we're "turning a blind eye" to this sort of nonsense. Everyones entitled to their own opinion, and I'm not going to start censoring people for sharing their thoughts and opinions, that's not what forums are all about. BUT like I've said before, there's a way of communicating with one-another, and name calling isn't one of them.

Of course, I understand that people will be put off by this sort of behaviour - "No one wants to see that sort of behaviour going on, people come to the forums for an enjoyable time overall, not to be abused."

Watley has strong opinions, just like many other users on the forums, and many people in real life. If you don't get along with someone and you can't find a way to get your opinions heard (without being abusive) then there's a simple solution to that, ignore each other. Which means stop winding each other up and trying to get a reaction out of one another, which is exactly what I've seen going on.

Like I've said If I see this happening again it will result in warnings, and then after that, potential bans. We want this to be a friendly place for everyone.

Figs · Sep 26, 2017

TheWizardWatley said: ↑

For some of us old school types who grew up with 1st and 2nd ed D&D, Ghosts and Goblins, Fighting Fantasy, and the ever present Thudd Gun, games were hard, meant to be challenging, frustrating, filled with constant death and new characters, permadeath (which is just a euphemism for no saves), and a battle against Fortuna who always gave the 20's to the DM. Wargaming, which incidentally is what this game is, is not an easy thing, usually being pitted against another person means someone is going to lose (inherent nature of competitive games), and unless social dynamics have radically altered in the last thirty odd years, no one likes a sour loser or a bad winner.

And here seems to be where the old school and the new clash. Anyone born from the early eighties onwards has had computer games to play and a console, and more and more since then, computer games have had such handy concepts as saving games, and immersive storylines which allow the player the feeling of success because they "finished" the game. This introduces a new problematic dynamic to the gaming psychology. Where once upon a time (and actually not that long ago) players played war games, RPGs (proper ones, not computer games), and crappy corner store Pingu machines, that were 'permadeath' and that gave us the grit to keep playing even if things went bad. Modern gamers seem to Want to be able to achieve victory all the time, can't cope with difficult concepts like losing a match, and as all evidence has suggested, do not understand the thinking behind self limiting game systems. They want more and more glory for personal reasons, and less for the satisfaction of the game itself. (One just has to watch a bunch of guys playing Magic the Slathering or Yugioh to see what I mean, it really is all about the self and not about the game).

So here's my thinking, in the face of critics for whom the deliberately designed and difficult aspects of this iteration of Mordheim have caused flummoxes. It's meant to be hard. On the table, someone is going to lose, and most likely someone will lose warband memebers. It might suck massively to realise that the crew you have been modelling and painting like crazy are now functionally useless and it would be better to start afresh, but that's the fun of the old school game. Take it on the chin and move on. The fact that you don't even have to spend hours and hours remodelling for a game, only to get beaten again and again, is a massive PERK in this particular apps case. As it stands, battling the AI is a helluva lot easier than some sneaky weasel (by which I mean my mates) sitting across the table who have intelligence and adaptive imagination.

Now, I dig that the game here is not complete, and I guess if you are the kind of person who expects the very best from everything, then this must be annoying (poor self indulgent darlings), but for me, who had a C64 with a tape deck to load games, c. 1985, that's to be expected. Games really are a lot less buggy and a lot more reliable and user friendly these days, take my word for it.
As anyone who has a tablet or dumbphone device knows, updates happen. YouTube, FB, google, and virus scanners all constantly updating and fixing and improving. All the other apps, doing the same thing. And, so, here too. Few games these days are released in a 100% complete format, and most of the rest will be improving and upgrading and adding features after release. So, realistically, there's no valid call for complaining about the state of the game. It's a lot gentler than the tabletop, yet still has the harshness and difficulty and GRIND I expect from Mordheim (having actually played the table
Furthermore, while I have no experience of the difficulty of computer programming, I understand that it is not easy, nor do things work how they are always meant to. Time consuming, probably frustrating, definitely unrecognised labour.
This wonderful, difficult, frustrating and awesome game deserves a lot more credit than some are giving it. It's old school, how RPGs and war games use different to be, before we had to pander to a bunch of self indulgent children who grew up playing games they knew they would win.

And that's my two groats....

This post put a lot in perspective for me thanks

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